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January 5, 2013 BY John Kim / 67
What do the Air Jordan 1 High ‘Bulls’ and Air Jordan III White/Cement with ‘Nike Air’ have in common? Both are re-releasing in 2013, and both were last seen on store shelves in 1994. Both shoes are making 19-year comebacks this Spring season, with the Air Jordan 1 arriving as the first Retro release of the 2013 campaign, and today, we’re getting a rare side-by-side comparison between both the 1994 and 2013 versions. A quick review shows a few discrepancies (tongue height, tongue label), but flip through the gallery below and see if you can spot anything else that’s worth noting.
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I wanted these so bad but thought foot locker or champs would have em cuz of no lottery system but they didnt get em n online was 2 late those who copped enjoy em these started it all
These were overpriced ? I have always liked this colorway & even with this retro's faults I was still going to buy. I bought these without a single doubt in my mind. Much respect to anyone who did or didn't buy this sneaker.
Most of u ppl are clowns im just being honest. I mean no disrespect but at sum point the complaining has to stop. If yall think getting a 94 is gone solve ur quality issues ur wrong. That shoe is nearly 20 years old the quality on those are nearly done at this point. Really u wanna buy those juat so u can say u have nice leather, get out of hear. This is 2013 how many of are willing to let the 90's go bcuz that era is gone. Now most of yall got these youngsters tryna make a statement about how 80's & 90's quality is great. Shoes serve one purpose and thats to be worn. I like to kno how many of u quality experts who judge off pics or never had certain shoes in ur hand graduated high school or got a college degree. Tomorrow.sum new cat will wake up and be speaking quality everybody else is doing it and they never even cared about materials. It takes alot more to kno materials then to press on a pair sneakers. Go work at a leather factory or a sweatshop or something. Those who's thinking nike air will provide something different when those 3's drop, keep dreaming. Its minor differences same materials. For folks who cant understand why those 3's dont have nike air on the bottom first u must understand the meaning of a retro
I dont like the leather tongue instead of nylon, and the Jumpman logo instead of Nike Air. I pass. Hopefully the 3 has better quality, now that it has the Nike Air... it will be the first TRUE Jordan retro in over 10 years. A REAL Nike Air Jordan.
These only have the colorway in common. The leather is different, the tongue is different, the 2013s feel like cardboard, the 1994s were made better, and Jordan Brand will always put a Jumpman logo on the back of their retros 1s, to tell apart from OGs and earlier better made retros! I am done with Jordans! Overpriced and undermade! :(
It's a damn shame. Ewing does a better job of retroing shoes than the brand that invented retros...smdgh
the toungue on the 94s isnt leather its what the OG joints were that nylon material. im glad i passed. id rather take my chances with the black toes these joints are horrible
I bought the 1s yesterday. I had to go a half size up because it was so narrow and it took me several minutes to unlace those tight ass laces. Terrible quality. I need toebox shields before I wear these.
im loving the 13 better love the jordan logo on the back to and the 13 tongue better because most of us rock shoes with the tongue outside of our pants now days so i aint no issue for me
Never liked this retro from the first picture, wouldn't cop even if they were on sale. There's much better 1s that's been dropping lately, especially them university blues.
@Kev Loco - At $105, these weren't a bad price. The Knicks "OG" I's were $135 retail. Apparently those "Nike Air" tongue tags are worth an extra $30. Could someone please explain why they labeled those as "OG", when that's not even an original colorway?
You clearly have now idea as to what you are talking about, as "That shoe is nearly 20 years old the quality on those are nearly done at this point. Really u wanna buy those juat so u can say u have nice leather, get out of hear." is just more than grammatically incorrect.
I address your complete lack of knowledge over the quality in which the retros where constructed back when the first retros hit the market. Those mother fuckers were built like god damn tanks. I will simply use the pair shown in this article to demonstrate since these are the ones used as a comparison baseline in this article to demonstrate you're simply talking out of your ass about something you know very little about.
You stated, "That shoe is nearly 20 years old the quality on those are nearly done at this point." How do you know any of this? did you handle this specific pair? Are they yours? I already no the answer to that, No. As long as the sole and the leather on these retros are still pliable then one could most certainly wear these in a casual outing.
Hell MJ himself broke out a fucking pair of god damn OG 1s in the garden back in the 97-98 season. Not only did he not simply wear them, the mother fucking G.O.A.T played in them. Granted he did in all respect have to change at half time as the shoes were a size smaller than what he was wearing at the time.
Yet a god damn dumb fuck sitting behind a mother fucking rented computer from rent-a-center all of a sudden thinks he is a mother fucking expert in the quality of retros from 80's and 90's, which were by all standards were indeed leaps and bounds better than this kind of bull shit retros that nike/Jb keep churning out.
You just keep drinking that fucking watered down kool-aid, I however will save my fucking hard earned cash for quality.
@hozezae I have Banned 1's.. & yes it's a 2011 shoe.. & yes the quality of leather used is way better than anything that JB has put out in at least the past 10-12 years, I know I have 2001 1's & the Banned 1's are way better Material wise than those.. they May be even better than the '94 retro...
So I guess my point is, Nike Didn't have a problem producing a high quality product like the Banned 1's in 2011 for $109.99 +tax.. with 3 pair of laces & all the extra details..
So what's the excuse for not doing that all the time?
I'll tell you one thing.. When I was a kid back in the 80's wearing 1's, 2's, 3's & 4's... I don't ever remember the paint cracking or chipping after wearing them..
@hozezae You know I'm usually not a grammar nazi. But when you type up a post and question people's education level in a forum, it's probably a good idea to check your grammar. I hope you "hear" as apposed to "here" what i'm saying. Furthermore, It's news to me that you need a college degree or even a high school diploma to know the difference between good leather and shitty leather. Look, I get it, some don't know what the fuck their talking about. Some people play Devil's avocate and just voice the opposite of general public opinion just to have something "unique' to say. But others, like myself for example, genuinely see the downgrade in quality in a brand that a lot of us have been loyal to for 20+ years, some even longer then that. And when you invest not only money but time in the growth of a company, you have a right to complain when they're not giving you the quality you know they are capable of giving you. My personal protest is by buying only AAA grade quality Nike shoes. Some are recent releases, some as far back as 1996 but all were purchased DS. Yes its harder to find shoes, yes it cost more. But it hurts Nike in the long run because one thing these big corporations hate is flatline profits (It makes their balance sheet look like shit to investors, thus the return of the Nike Air on AJ3) I can't control what people buy but I can "raise the bar" by sticking to my own standards. And slowly, they will give in to what the consumers demand. But only if we "all" demand it. And not just accept whatever the fuck Nike decides to shit on our doorstep.
@hozezae - Judging by your poor grammar, I find it hard to believe you made it past 6th grade before dropping out of school.
@hozezae its about time someone on here makes some damn sense.
If "Nike Air" is the only reason for charging an extra $30, then someone please explain why the Banned 1's retailed at $109.99.. I mean those had the correct labeling not to mention 3 pair of Laces (Black, White & Red) The 2 piece box & the quality of material used was excellent..The leather looks amazing on them. People will say they were B-Grades, but anybody who has them or has seen them will tell you, if that's Nike's definition of a B-Grade then they need to be releasing B-Grades.. Cause they look really good.. Also all the little extra's such as the "X" on the heel & inside of the shoe is really detailed...
Nike knows what they can get away with so they'll .... just do it..
@Sneakerhead2320 @hozezae - Back in the 80's when you were a kid, how closely did you pay attention to your shoes? Were you as detail-obsessed back then as you are now? I got my first pair of Jordans in 5th grade; they were the Bordeaux VII's. Even back then I was a neat freak, and constantly cleaned my shoes.
The Banned I's were made with a higher quality leather than the OG's, and that's one of the few times you'll see me not complain about them changing materials. OG's didn't have tumbled leather.
@IgotthatFIRE u right I should have checked my grammer first but hell everybody make typos. The comment about leather is any and everybody think they kno what actual leather is and dont kno how many types of leathers there really is oppose to shoe leather to compare it too. And there is no need to complain bcuz if u feel there producing BS then that person should not buy. Its pointless to continue to buy BS products and still complain especially if its been that way for years. This nike movement is in a different era now its about lightweight but the consumers want the shit from the 90's. Ppl need to understand these shoe companies are about the athletes first & for most. They want lightweight shoes so materials need to change, if felt the shoes from back then now they are alot heavier. Its business but ppl are allowing there personal feelings get involved instead of seeing the real purpose. Consumers get what the athletes want out of a shoe not your opinion. You gotta remember every major brand has changed bcuz they're with the current time. Nike wont fold anytime soon they are getting bigger and bigger each year. If we adapted to HDTV we can get pass this too. Yall be easy man
@StephenDensmore I can take whatever u send my way, apprently u got offended. Its all good still I aint mad
@Sneakerhead2320 @StephenDensmore @Kev Loco I heard Jordan also rose the price a bit for the threes and the ones because they had to pay a bit to use the Nike Air name. Even though they are a subsidiary of Nike, they still are their own brand. So basically, you're paying a little extra because Jordan Brand did.
@Sneakerhead2320 @Kev Loco - Agreed, those Banned I's were awesome quality. Still kicking myself for not making the drive to Chicago to camp for a pair or two. While the type of leather used wasn't true to the original, I wouldn't mind having that nice tumbled leather on more future I releases.
Nike's pricing strategy doesn't quite add up. I get that as years pass, prices rise due to inflation. But why would a high quality shoe released in 2011 only retail for $110 at the outlets, while the Retro Bulls I's retailed for $105 two years later. Then there's the XI's prices that continue to climb. Like you said, they do it for the simple fact that they can.
@IgotthatFIRE @StephenDensmore @ogjackson32 Yall clowns still stuck on this, I left yall dudes in the dust days ago. If yall tripping like this over shoes I wanna how yall get when ya girl dont give it up...seriously. If u feel u right move on, man up and move on damn its a new day. I dont kno about yall but I work, yall feeling up my email with nonsense after this debate been done days ago. I see where yall time is spent, I also see yall been playing follow the leader. And ogjackson32 I dont kno u and u speak about my grammer check yo entire post and check yourself next time. So sensitive it must be yall time of the month. And if yall ever wanna see my collection I be glad to show you, I dont have to brag on my kicks but if u think I collect fusions okay whatever. Just one thing since u guys are so sicken with these garbage quality retros, make it easy and don't buy any bcuz the minute u do everything u said meant nothing. More then likely u will raffle for the non 3M bred 13's right, tho they might be trash to yall but somehow you'll manage to make it to the mall for the raffle. Its a new year yall do yall cuz ima do me, ima buy these retros while yall go buy whatever it is yall like. Much love to yall man im out for good bruh....PEACE!
@Fosterakahunter You should try "reading" more than one sentence before commenting. I don't give a damn about his grammar. I was making the point that if he's going to comment on people's education in here, maybe he should look in the mirror... instead of throwing stones in a glass house. That's the point.
@StephenDensmore @hozezae @IgotthatFIRE I stay in Florida weather ain't no issue just weak ass shoes I'm already up to move on
@Kervens89 @hozezae @IgotthatFIRE - Dang, that sucks. I got a few pairs of the Thunders, but haven't worn one yet. It's winter here in Michigan, AKA beater weather, haha. I swear by the wearable shoe trees. You still get a small amount of creasing on the sides, but no ugly toe box creases. I just go up a half size, and there's little to no discomfort.
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@StephenDensmore @hozezae @IgotthatFIRE I bought the thunders wore them once and I swear it creases already Damn shame
@Kervens89 @hozezae @IgotthatFIRE - Glad a couple people can agree with the points I've made. I can picture the novelty for trendy kids copping Jordan shoes dying down soon considering they've been dropping so many retros lately. It's only a matter of time before the market is over-saturated, and maybe then we'll finally able to get a pair of shoes without so much hassle. That's if their quality will even be worth the expense by then.
@StephenDensmore @hozezae @IgotthatFIRE yo Stephen u right on with that u the only making some sense right now I only buy Jordans that are limited and rare now every monthly shit they put on the table I pass on them for another brand easily
@hozezae @IgotthatFIRE - I call BS. Look at the Fire Red IV's, that leather was TERRIBLE. The quality control was practically non-existent. It's almost as if Jordan Brand got a discount on defective leather, and just went with it. Out of 30+ pairs of Jordan shoes I copped (most of them resold) this year, maybe five pairs were without flaw. I wouldn't have such high expectations if we weren't being charged a premium, and other brands were releasing shoes with the same sloppy build.
You make it sound like all the brands are following the trend of cheapening quality for higher profits. For example, the Ewing retros are top notch quality leather, and built very close to their original. Same goes with Reebok's Iverson retros. It's rare to find serious flaws on these shoes. JB has almost entirely abandoned the topnotch craftsmanship it was once known for. It's almost as if Nike has retired the term B-grade, and just sells everything for retail, regardless of the condition they were shipped to customers in.
Not only do I blame myself for purchasing this garbage, but I mainly blame people like you that come to the defense of JB while they continue to rip off their customers. Every time I receive an order that's riddled with defects, I take photos, contact Nike, and give them a piece of my mind. Things might change if everyone started doing the same.
@IgotthatFIRE hear yourself u saying retro u wont get that premium leather anymore unless its a exclusive type shoe there putting out or something like that. Every jordan retro or nike will not come like that anymore. Even u should know that great leather creased easy the synthetic leathers dont easy nowhere as easy as real or superb leather my guy. U cant stop yellowing at all but slow it down. If u store them correctly u wont have to worry about that but ppl who are careless complains. Still u cant say they cut leather from the same cow when ur not there ur just speculating. I understand what u want as a collector or whatever it is u do but its not going too. 5 to 10 years from now its really gonna be different. I'm not making excuses im just acknowleding what nike is doing thats all, besides I said all the major brands are doing it. Put it like this we can agree to disagree im out for good
@hozezae Dude WTF are you talking about? I have some 04 Reebok 15 anniversary Pumps that are better quality then the OG's i have from 89. Rubber comes from the same tree. Leather come from the same cow. All people want when it come to retro's is the highest quality of leather that don't crease easy and rubber that don't yellow. It's not Rocket science. You mean to tell me everybody but Nike can do this? Stop making excuses for them.
@IgotthatFIRE I will say this, dealing with all retro shoes is there all outdated, even with new retro with updated materials the shoe overall is stilp outdated and much cant be done to override that. Everytime a retro gets release it will have current day specs but still it wont change the old technology it was created from not materials but technology. Yes nike has final say so but without these athletes to advertise them their thru. But nike and these other brands arent rolling back into the 90's and beyond that
@hozezaeFirst off, I want to say I respect your opinion. It takes a big man to admit mistakes, and your right. We all make typographic errors at one time or another. Second, I don't really have a problem with the newer lines e.g. foamposites, hyperfuse series KD, Kobe, Lebron (except elite 9's...horrible). I have a problem with general release retro Jordan's which nine out of ten times are cheaper quality and not just a "weight reduction". I am pro-change. I think retros should be an improvement over previous models not just a carbon copy. It's just that Nike has failed so miserably at this point with retros that a copy of what they did 10 or even 5 years ago would be an upgrade. Nike has lowered its "own" bar so badly that 2005 retros trump 2010 (e.g Flint AJ13) and that's fucked up. Could you imagine the uproar if Sony or Apple didn't offer you an upgrade but rather a downgrade with every new product? Fuck brand loyalty, customers would return shit in droves. As far as athletes dictating what shoes are made too an extent yes they do, But let's be real, NIke has the REAL final say as far as what shoes are produced. I'm pretty sure the rules are like this for anybody including athletes if you pay them $90+ million...They will endorse anything. Hell, I would endorse bucket of shit if you give me $90 million too slap my name on it. This is not about improvements for NIke, this is about profit Margins
@StephenDensmore @IgotthatFIRE again do u kni what materials they use on a daily base no. The economy is good yet, all things are increased and will still go up when this pass over. And I think they listened to us about nike air coming back, I tell u this I workef at FNL CORP 5 years when this debate started. 2004-2009 they were talking about bringing it back this isnt a all of sudden thing to please consumers its been in the works. I been in jordans since a mini me and still to this day. I dont complain bcuz I understand the business why things are done a certain way. If u like kobes, lebrons etc, there all synthetic and light. I dont kno u but to make comments about thats an understatement and me redeeming myself dont get it twisted. You just another life form like anybody else with flaws so please dont big yo self up im done
@hozezae @IgotthatFIRE - It's not about making retros lighter, it's about making them with cheaper materials to increase profits. You're right on one thing though, it's our own fault for caving, and allowing these shoes to sellout in the matter of minutes. Jordan Brand obviously listens to an extent, hence the reason we're seeing "Nike Air" comeback on some releases. Now if only they'd release an XI with the proper patent cut. If you're not sure what I'm talking about, refer to my video comparison on YouTube...